Public opinion on the COP30 Climate Summit is overwhelmingly negative, with many perceiving it as hypocritical and ineffective in addressing climate change. There is widespread frustration about the disconnect between discussions and real action, especially given the presence of major polluters attending the summit, which has led to skepticism about their motivations and the sincerity of climate change narratives.

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Like unprecedented heat dome of over plus 40 in NW Canada? Unprecedented wild fires in Canada? Atmospheric river flooding western Canada? These were all supposed to events far in the future, and we witnessed them all over the last 5 years. Not only that, but after these events our “Liberal” government has rolled back most pro climate policies in favor of job/economy stimulus. I don’t really believe that there will be an event that will change anything. It’s always going to be least cost first. Cost of living is the crisis near and dear to the average westerner, and any thing that threatens the cost of living going up is a problem, including climate change mitigation efforts. Yes, I fully understand the paradox this presents, but the average voter in our democracy doesn’t.

squailtaint

Nope. Big climate related disasters in the Global North will just result in further backsliding. Politicians will amp up the denial, claiming they’re natural disasters, and then use them as an excuse: “we can’t possibly meet these climate targets now we have to deal with these tragedies”.
I mean, do you ever see America making progress on gun laws after a mass shooting?

Away-Meal-9313

...and by then it likely will be too late. Wheeeeeeeee

DanoPinyon

rocketstopya

We got the rules based global trade system following the conflict of WW2.


We need a rules based system for climate instead of our ineffective trust based system. 


We won't get that unless we start treating the harm of foreign emissions as an act of aggression that needs to be reduced

Joshau-k

This is pure copium. There is no magical "people of the global south" that people of the global north can just ignore. We just ignore whatever doesn't align with the direction we want to be heading.

These disasters have already occured in the global north, as many point out in these comments, but when things become really bad we'll again divide the planet to the smart and the stupid, AKA the rich and the poor and we'll assume nothing bad will happen to us.

AnotherFuckingSheep

The rich North is much less vulnerable to climate-related disasters, so this is not going to happen.

Economy-Fee5830

Exactly. I remember the very early days of COVID when combating it was a bipartisan affair. Then health authorities started to stress the way it especially impacted the poor and minorities, so conservatives decided it wasn't a problem.

Suibian_ni

On the contrary I fear that climate change becoming more expensive will just lead to even less political will to pay for solutions. And it’s not even as illogical as it seems. Public funding is limited after all. 

That’s why I always try to focus my advocacy on solutions that save money instead of spending it. Or pointing out how measures can pay for themselves in the short term. 

My biggest success so far was when the local high schools gymnasium was renovated and I managed to get a majority for also installing heat insulation at the same time. It saves like 10kg CO2 per student per year. 

That was only possible because there were grants for doing so and I was willing to make the successful application for the grant a conditional for the project to convince the conservatives to vote for it. The opposition voted against out of a principal opposition to everything we were doing even though they should have been ideologically inclined to support that. Politics can be very hard.

nv87

We dealt with it in carters administration. Some people are smarter than others. I’m afraid now the momentum is against us and this might be the moment it becomes too late to recover.

benmillstein

75,000 people died in Europe from heat related deaths in 2003(?). Not much changed. Define disaster..

I mean if half the population dies then I guess emissions will be halved. I’m not sure that’s what you meant.

Xoxrocks

Uh.... much bigger disasters would be more accurate. like multicountry crop and water failure.

HappycamperNZ

It's so sad how environmental pollution is not the biggest ecological problem anymore. Such a shame because if you fix environmental pollution, you indirectly fix climate change as well...

MukiTensei

Well we're all connected so what happens when the other countries we get our food from start to get drouts that never end or monsoons that won't stop, is a food crisis not a disaster?

JP32793

So we are good. Nothing needs to be done.

Narrow_Roof_112

It will take 5-6 figure wet-bulb climate fatalities headlines in multiple countries but by then it will be far too late.

leisurechef

We will need much more serious disasters than a few forest fires, to make the public care. Currently, global food production is still rising rapidly, the world population still trundle upwards, the death rate is falling, believe it it not, not rising. 

Even the pandemic barely changed these figures. 

So we need serious apocalypse. I'm taking a million Torontonians bursting into flames on Fox News. Mass cannibalism, the purge, total war. If you have eaten anything in the past week, other than boot leather, then we have not reached sufficient doom yet.

ravenjohnt

Environmentalists hoping for a major disaster to bring attention to their cause… 

Sorry guys, the 2025 Atlantic hurricane season turned out to be a fizzle. NOAA predicted above normal hurricane activity, it turned out to be below normal, just five hurricanes instead of the 6-10 predicted (7 is the norm). Despite warmer waters. No hurricane this year made landfall on the United States, for the first time in a decade.

They may have to wait a while for their big disaster, the death and destruction they’re hoping for…

Significant-Ant-2487

What will it take for China to take action?

ObjectPretty

There has to be a rule that doesn't allow these people in.

M1x1ma

What’s happening in the world rn is a huge dystopian movie…..

Independent-Slide-79

Lobbying was always an entry point for the richest to do their  corrupt shady deals but allowing them to act legally and officially, therefore allowing capitalist profits from world problems. Nobody predicted any harm in this setup? Wow. Greed has literally killed community, democracy and doine its best to destroy the planet. 

Let the arrests begin.

InternationalCut5718

There’s over 1500 Pharma lobbyists on the hill so I fully believe this, just shocking.  Lobbying was one of those ‘good idea at the start’ things but really should just be banned.

Frater_Ankara

iSoinic

Controversial view, but surely if addressing climate change is all about phasing out fossil fuels, which i believe is the case, then we should want to have 1/25th of delegates representing the fossil fuel industry, because it is that industry we need to change? They have to be represented, as it is all about them. Do you really think it would help to kick out Saudi Arabia from COP, for example?

Hopefully, one day, those people will be personally held accountable for what they did

Intrepid-Report3986

This couldn't possibly explain why it took 29 years of COP meetings before one even mentioned fossil fuels, could it?

Splenda

After all the lying, propaganda, and subsequent consequences of delayed or inaction because of them, they should not be allowed a place at the table. Hell, they shouldn’t be allowed in the same building!

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SS: Related to climate collapse as, likely to the surprise of no one on r/collapse, the recent climate pledges released by nations at COP30 (more like COPE30) focus on unrealistic carbon removal plans over plans to actually systemically reduce emissions. This article also points out the global financial factors behind the lack of forest preservation plans, namely that many developing nations with forests that need protection are in a ‘debt trap’ that forces them to exploit their natural resources beyond sustainable levels. Of course, the fact that the global economy is based on infinite growth doesn’t help either. Anyways, as long as the countries of the world pledge to “plant some trees” over actually turning away from fossil fuels, expect climate chaos to continue accelerating at an unchecked rate.

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StatementBot

Let's examine the options: carbon capture and geoengineering versus emissions cuts and degrowth. Which one makes the billionaires more money?

Annnndddddd there's your answer. Anyone who thinks the future isn't us all paying for expensive solutions to continuing growth is, at this point, deluding themselves. 

I'm hopeful something better will arise eventually, but I don't see any hope short-term (30-75 years).

phinbob

TheLordFool

SS: Related to climate collapse as, likely to the surprise of no one on r/collapse, the recent climate pledges released by nations at COP30 (more like COPE30) focus on unrealistic carbon removal plans over plans to actually systemically reduce emissions. This article also points out the global financial factors behind the lack of forest preservation plans, namely that many developing nations with forests that need protection are in a ‘debt trap’ that forces them to exploit their natural resources beyond sustainable levels. Of course, the fact that the global economy is based on infinite growth doesn’t help either. Anyways, as long as the countries of the world pledge to “plant some trees” over actually turning away from fossil fuels, expect climate chaos to continue accelerating at an unchecked rate.

Portalrules123

Mass extinction counts as land-based carbon removal

Pristine_Cheek_6093

We were always going to dig it up and burn it all. That was always the plan. 

Itwontfitinthefront

The Trump administration does not intend to send a high-level delegation to the COP30 climate summit — or possibly any delegation at all. But that doesn’t mean the country’s influence won’t be felt at the talks.

As nations prepare to gather in Belém, Brazil, for the negotiations, which begin on Thursday with the leaders summit, [the US is set to play the part of the elephant in the room](https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/04/climate/un-climate-summit-cop30-brazil-trump?utm_medium=social&amp;utm_campaign=missions&amp;utm_source=reddit). Even operating from afar, the US could have the power to blow up a deal in Belém. The Trump administration has recently taken aggressive stances to try to influence other countries’ climate policies, mainly by threatening hostile trade measures.

The US has estranged itself from official international climate negotiation processes while simultaneously exerting pressure on trading partners to water down or reject climate commitments. This paradox could have an impact on COP30, experts tell CNN.

It is not known whether the US will simply ignore COP or try to intervene to secure preferred outcomes.

Other countries have not followed the US out of the Paris Agreement, but the abrupt shifts in policy in Washington have affected the global mood. An administration that now heavily favors fossil fuels over renewables has reduced the incentives for other countries to submit ambitious plans for cutting emissions through 2035, experts said.

These plans were supposed to be delivered by virtually every country in the world in the run up to COP30. However, only about 60 countries delivered theirs to the UN on time, and the actions they outline fall far short of achieving the temperature targets contained in the Paris Agreement.

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ItyBityGreenieWeenie

How meaningful can it be, when the biggest economy in the world refuses to attend? Americans screwed over the whole world by re-electing the orange pedophile.

mushroomsarefriends

The narrative now for dealing with climate change is basically we're going to overshoot past 1.5C and use magical technology to bring temperatures back down by the end of the century. 

Sounds very convenient for letting BAU continue on. Drill baby drill.

Cutting emissions, previous COPs, the Paris Climate Agreement, talks of 'green growth' and carbon capture and all that was just bullshit. 

These conferences are performative and basically theatre. A reminder to the public that nations come together to discuss these issues and are trying to find some kind of deal. I'm sure there are representatives from countries that are feelings the effects of climate change and will see catastrophe in the near future, hoping to find political solutions. But as is often said, there is little to no political will to do something, *anything,* substantial regarding climate change.

BlackMassSmoker

Green-washing circle-jerk lubed with hopium and greasy corporate propaganda

Garuda34

Should be renamed to COPE30, amiright?

I'll see myself out.

lor_louis

Anyone with the cash to spare is prepping for climate collapse. No one would go to work if they told us we were fucked.

Rick-burp-Sanchez

The political reality is that climate change remains fairly low on the list of concerns of most of the people of the world. And hence the politicians don't really care either. If a politician raises taxes to provide climate finance then they will lose the next election, it is that simple. 

So the only way to achieve real action now is to invent and deliver tech that supports greener solutions at an economical cost. This is what China is doing, and it is the only worthwhile action. The West can help enormously by inventing new solutions, as the West is where most new inventions continue to be made. COP30 should be about delivering new tech at a lower cost, not handouts to cover current excessive costs.

They’ve all been flying their private jets into these fucking things so no. lol 
It’s almost comical!

Archeolops

The moment oil corps lobbies are included you know it's a farce. Expecting the same shit set to be doing one thing to suddenly change its behavior to something opposite is peak insanity.

If they actually cared they wouldn't go physically with jets, they would make a mega virtual conference.

ChromaticStrike

People should have already become disillusioned with politics at this point and started preparing for whatever change they think is actually coming. At a certain point, whining about the fact that politicians are not changing things the way you want is completely delusional. This isn't meant to be a slight, just an observation about what is actually useful and rational behavior.

OmManiPadmeHuumm

The capitalists run it and action is bad for business so nothing will happen.

nugstar

“Impossible to ignore” just means we have to ignore harder.

vinegar

BadgerKomodo

35120red

Absolutely fucking nothing.   Pointless, a colossal waste of time and money.

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